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In order to prepare the agenda for the launch meeting next wedensday in Maastricht I've prepared a short Doodle Form to propose different focus for the group, it will take you only one minute or two to fill it: http://www.doodle.ch/4u66y5b4n573ccge


I've put a short comment in it regarding my own felling, here is more information about what I will propose you: (in the paragraph below the ID-SIS is defined in Liberty as an IDentity Service Interface Specification, I use this word to define an XML user data structure that could be use independing of the identity framework (LA, OpenID, InfoCard...), I will add a specific mention to indicate if its for example an OpenID or a Liberty one)

  • 0 ) Avoid too semantic or technical discussion here

First of all, my own felling is that the scope of this WG is not to deal with semantic of data structure, we are assuming to use existing XML specifications already existing in their respective communities such as HR-XML and IMS Global, so I suggest to all people interest in semantics to join these organisations/community directly. In the same way I would like to avoid as much as possible any implementation / technical bugs discussion in the mailing list nor in the wiki, in this way if needed it should clearly be better to put in place a bugzilla system to collect and manage them but as it is mostly related to technical implementation most of the system editors / vendors have their own support service.

  • 1 and 2 (these two points are more explained below)) Work on Europass with a short term focus and a long term one

We could work on the Europass documents interoperability as this worker/learner mobility framework is well defined, mainly based on simple set of information (in theory ;-)) and this work should be usefull for other countries / regions worldwide.

- 3) Look at other use cases related to employbality / life long learning, we expect that some of them could be produce by the EU research project TAS3 (Trusted Architecture for Securely Shared Services, http://www.tas3.eu) in which two employability pilots will take place : one in UK more oriented to ease student employability, the other one in NL more oriented to the worker mobility and lifelonglearning/accreditation of competencies. Several SIG participants are already involved in this project (even myself) so that will ease discussion, if you have any other projects that could give more input to this SIG please inform us using the mailing list. All inputs warmy welcome !

  • 4) Working on simple dissemination materials for decision makers (at national/regional/educational level)



More information about points 1 and 2:

  • 1) in a very short term (probably 3 to 6 months)

Finalising the Liberty HR ID-SIS draft proposal which is in fact the Europass CV HR-XML binding that is already used in the CV Universel project and implemented also by EuroCV.eu service. While waiting for other implementation, the reference implementation could be the Universal CV. Working on an OpenID HR ID-SIS using the same data structure and looking for "champions" to implement it for testing. OR as the Cedefop is working on a new release of the Europass CV model (v2 that will replace the actual v1.2) and HR-XML on a new release of their own sepc (v3) we could also already start to work on updating the existing profile to support them. BUT this will probably delay the publication of a possible related HR/Europass CV ID-SIS

  • 2) Include other Europass elements (1 year)

The European Europass framework include other elements that could be/or not included in our "profiling" work:

    • The Language Portfolio : this is a short document that is owned/managed by the Citizen himself which is quite close to the Europass CV so it could be easily implemented using optional elements in the HR/Europass CV ID-SIS
--> Easy to do, could work easily on top of LA as well as OpenID just as a short extension to the Europass CV ID-SIS (only 3 to 6 months needed)
    • The Diploma Supplement : this is a document which is hosted/produce by universities but we could easily linked/referenced them in Europass CV. In which case in order to manage the sharing of such DS between services online we will probably need some additional feature such as delegation which are available within Liberty specifications (Using People Service and Identity Governance Framework).

This will complexify the implementation but this is needed here. The main issue won't be on the implementation anyway but more on the community profiling work in each EU Countries. We have seen in a previous EU research project (Telcert) that each countries are actually using different Diploma Supplement profiles (all paper based as far as I know) with some big differencies, like in France we have a unique ID for each student which is used in the DS profile while in Germany this information (Student ID) has been suppressed in their profile. In the other way the German DS include detail about student results while in France these informaiton has been rejected to avoid any possible discrimination based on it... So we may have some long discussions/debates in perspective :-)

--> Not too complex to modelise in theory for demonstration / proof of concept using LA specs, quite more difficult to obtain a global cosensus on a common DS profile for all EU countries, so even more complex to extend this globally.
    • The Certificate Supplement : the idea in Europass for this element is the same ad the DS but regarding Certificates delivered by other organisations such as Training companies/ certification center... In most of the European Countries we have national repositories which include a list of the available Certificates in the country which already include most of the information needed to filled in the CS (such as the RNCP done by the CNCP in France : http://www.cncp.gouv.fr/). Issues will append probably here more at a political level but we could already look at doing a benchmark of the different national repositories format to check if there are any profiling issues.
--> Maybe more easy to work on an implementation of this than the DS but in the other way we have to deal here with more smaller organisations for exploitation of this profile.
    • The Mobility Pass which is document used to ease/manage student mobility in Europe between universities, this is already well supported by Cedefop and Europass national agencies.
--> so in my point of view except if the Cedefop or any Europass agency request it, it is not needed to work on this for the moment.

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